Once again I must apologize to the person who reads this blog. Yes you know who you are!
It's been a long time between drinks!
I've had some major changes in my life over the last couple of months, I've moved and had to set up a new house. My work committments have and will continue to change and I have a future wedding/marriage to contemplate. Hopefully I'm more settled now so more time to blog. As the wedding will be in Vietnam it will be strange and interesting for me. So I've had no time for website updating or modelling until very recently.
I've added some more bits and pieces to the website so hopefully some people will find that useful. I intend to do a major revamp when I get time so watch out for that, especially the freight and passenger sections, with a seperate page for each kind/class of vehicle..
As my future wife's family comes from the Phan Rang/Thap Cham area you will forgive me if lots of my photos on my website are from that area. It's the place I know the best.
I've had a bit of a think about the matters in the previous blog (relating to travelling on the DSVN) and now feel that maybe I was a bit harsh. I'm sure the DSVN staff were doing that best in a less than ideal situation.
I'm reminded of something that a manager in the rail system that I work for said a few years ago. He said we have to change the way we think about the main aim of what we do from 'running a railway' to 'providing a service'. When you 'run a railway' you concentrate on operating technology, changing points (turnouts) running locomotives and trains, operating signalling systems, shunting (switching) and so on. In this scenario customers are really a bit of a nuisance. In 'providing a service' we turn everything around so the customer becomes the most important aspect, 'operating' is just a way of providing the service that customers want. It's a big change and not so easy to introduce. I feel that DSVN hasn't quite made the shift yet. Just my personal thoughts.
The above photos was taken at Thap Cham in March. It's amazing that the D9Es (GE U8B) are still going strong in the south after all these years. Some of them must be nearly 45 years old!
And I'm not getting any younger either. So on that note I'll finish this blog. See you next time.
A Blog aimed at being a companion to the "Railways in Vietnam" website. Discussion of Railways in Vietnam both past and present.
Saturday, May 21, 2011
Thursday, March 31, 2011
Travelling on the VNR...
Sorry about the gap between entries. I'll try not to let it happen again.
I've recently returned from my third trip to Vietnam (I must be a gluton for punishment!). During my most recent trip I made two journeys on the DSVN, both on SE8, the first from Thap Cham to Hue and the second from Hue to Hanoi.
I have to be honest and say that these were not the greatest train trips I have ever made, in fact after these two, I'm not sure I want to travel by train in Vietnam again!
There was an article in the English language 'Vietnam News' which was about how tourists were deserting Vietnam railways in droves, because of the poor service and poor quality carriages. Apparently less than 7% of tourists travel by train. I'm not surprised. I have to say I was reading the article on a very pleasant air trip by Vietnam Airlines from Hanoi to Saigon so the comparison was even more apparent..
Anyway on with my experiences. The train from Thap Cham to Hue was about half an hour late, which I suppose isn't too bad considering it had spent the previous 6 hours travelling from Saigon. We were booked on SE8 'Cold, soft seats' said the poster on the wall. I presume they meant airconditioned and soft seats. I had specifically booked 'A' but not sleeping as we would arrive at Hue at about 2.00 am and expected to sleep in our hotel.
I must say staff of VNR must have never heard of Customer Service. (I work for the rail system here in Sydney, Australia, so know something about Customer Service). Passengers had to struggle from the low level platform onto the train with their luggage and absolutely no help from the staff who just stood and watched. On board the train again no help was provided to find your seat, which were helpfully numbered on the back of the seat in front. Total chaos. (Every time we stopped at a station we went through the same madness, with people struggling with luggage and trying to find their seats, with of course no help from the coach staff) Once we had found our seats, the foot room for big westerners like myself was very small and very uncomfortable. Aparently seats on VNR trains can be folded to an almost horizontal position, either that or the seat back was broken, which meant that the woman sitting in the seat in front of my travelling companion almost had her head in my companion's lap! It took several hours to convince her to put her seat up. During the trip the unsmiling VNR staff seemed to be totally uninterested and were only seen when they were trying to sell us something, usually food. The food on the train was very poor, my travelling companion, a Vietnamese national, wouldn't touch it with a forty foot pole. There was no attempt to provide alternatives for non-Vietnamese passengers either. I wouldn't have a problem with that if the Vietnamese food provided was of a reasonable standard. The trip was very uncomfortable, and the 14 hours seemed to go very slowly. The toilet was dirty as well. The carriage windows were covered in a film of dust, which made photography very difficult.
Our second trip was from Hue to Hanoi, a journey of about 13 hours, again on SE8. Our coach this time was an ex 'Green Train' coach which had certainly seen better days, though the windows were a bit cleaner! The train was supposed to have departed Hue at 2.08 am (yes that's right, 2 o'clock in the morning!) but guess what, was about half an hour late! I must congratulate the train crew as it was almost on time into Hanoi. Again the train was dirty, the seats had a sort of oily, gritty feel, which told me they had not been cleaned in a very long time. As it was the same train as our first journey the problems were pretty much the same. Food? Awful. Toilets? Dirty (and Vietnamese 'squat' type rather than the more usual western 'sit' style). Apparently only about 10% of Vietnamese trains have modern toilets. Customer Service? Non existant. As well there was something wrong with the airconditioning as I ended up with a terrible sinus headache (bad airconditioning treats me like this).
We finally arrived in Hanoi feeling tired and less than pleased with the trip.
There was some evidence that things might change in the future, with a number of bridge replacement projects noted on the way. But as long as the main line is single track and the safeworking/signalling systems are so old, the trains will always be slow. For a railfan such as myself it was very frustrating not to be able to go onto the platforms until just before the train arrived. I've never seen that before. At Hue I asked if I could go onto the platform to take photographs and was told to come back when the next train arrived (about 2 hours away).
The coaches on the highways are faster, more comfortable, cheaper and stop at very reasonable comfort stops. As we waited at Hue at 2.00 am I heard one tourist state that this was her last trip by train. It would be road coach from now on.
Oh, and I wish they'd do something about the brakes!
I've recently returned from my third trip to Vietnam (I must be a gluton for punishment!). During my most recent trip I made two journeys on the DSVN, both on SE8, the first from Thap Cham to Hue and the second from Hue to Hanoi.
There was an article in the English language 'Vietnam News' which was about how tourists were deserting Vietnam railways in droves, because of the poor service and poor quality carriages. Apparently less than 7% of tourists travel by train. I'm not surprised. I have to say I was reading the article on a very pleasant air trip by Vietnam Airlines from Hanoi to Saigon so the comparison was even more apparent..
Anyway on with my experiences. The train from Thap Cham to Hue was about half an hour late, which I suppose isn't too bad considering it had spent the previous 6 hours travelling from Saigon. We were booked on SE8 'Cold, soft seats' said the poster on the wall. I presume they meant airconditioned and soft seats. I had specifically booked 'A' but not sleeping as we would arrive at Hue at about 2.00 am and expected to sleep in our hotel.
I must say staff of VNR must have never heard of Customer Service. (I work for the rail system here in Sydney, Australia, so know something about Customer Service). Passengers had to struggle from the low level platform onto the train with their luggage and absolutely no help from the staff who just stood and watched. On board the train again no help was provided to find your seat, which were helpfully numbered on the back of the seat in front. Total chaos. (Every time we stopped at a station we went through the same madness, with people struggling with luggage and trying to find their seats, with of course no help from the coach staff) Once we had found our seats, the foot room for big westerners like myself was very small and very uncomfortable. Aparently seats on VNR trains can be folded to an almost horizontal position, either that or the seat back was broken, which meant that the woman sitting in the seat in front of my travelling companion almost had her head in my companion's lap! It took several hours to convince her to put her seat up. During the trip the unsmiling VNR staff seemed to be totally uninterested and were only seen when they were trying to sell us something, usually food. The food on the train was very poor, my travelling companion, a Vietnamese national, wouldn't touch it with a forty foot pole. There was no attempt to provide alternatives for non-Vietnamese passengers either. I wouldn't have a problem with that if the Vietnamese food provided was of a reasonable standard. The trip was very uncomfortable, and the 14 hours seemed to go very slowly. The toilet was dirty as well. The carriage windows were covered in a film of dust, which made photography very difficult.
We finally arrived in Hanoi feeling tired and less than pleased with the trip.
There was some evidence that things might change in the future, with a number of bridge replacement projects noted on the way. But as long as the main line is single track and the safeworking/signalling systems are so old, the trains will always be slow. For a railfan such as myself it was very frustrating not to be able to go onto the platforms until just before the train arrived. I've never seen that before. At Hue I asked if I could go onto the platform to take photographs and was told to come back when the next train arrived (about 2 hours away).
The coaches on the highways are faster, more comfortable, cheaper and stop at very reasonable comfort stops. As we waited at Hue at 2.00 am I heard one tourist state that this was her last trip by train. It would be road coach from now on.
Oh, and I wish they'd do something about the brakes!
Tuesday, December 7, 2010
Modern Narrow Gauge....
Here are some of the photos I was blogging about yesterday to prove that narrow gauge systems can be up to date.
The first one is of Queensland Railways 'Tilt' trains. These passenger sets come in two flavours, electric and diesel. This is the diesel version. They are the fastest trains in Australia and they travel on narrow gauge!
These are recently aquired 4000 class diesel electric locomotives. 3000 hp and again operating on 3ft 6 inch gauge.
And finally the new DL class for KiwiRail (New Zealand Railways).
Again about 3000 hp, made in China and specifically designed for narrow gauge.
So what's my point? With a bit of track upgrading, and some thought about double tracks (at least on the busiest sections), DSVN could develop a modern, high speed system, and not have to fork out the billions required to build a Very Fast Train.
The first one is of Queensland Railways 'Tilt' trains. These passenger sets come in two flavours, electric and diesel. This is the diesel version. They are the fastest trains in Australia and they travel on narrow gauge!
These are recently aquired 4000 class diesel electric locomotives. 3000 hp and again operating on 3ft 6 inch gauge.
And finally the new DL class for KiwiRail (New Zealand Railways).
Again about 3000 hp, made in China and specifically designed for narrow gauge.
So what's my point? With a bit of track upgrading, and some thought about double tracks (at least on the busiest sections), DSVN could develop a modern, high speed system, and not have to fork out the billions required to build a Very Fast Train.
Monday, December 6, 2010
The future.....
Further to my last blog, I've been thinking (careful!) about the directions that our beloved DSVN could take into the future. Lets not worry about Very Fast Trains. I'm talking about ideas to improve the current setup.
In my last blog I referred to the sorts of rail systems that operate in places like Queensland in Australia (birthplace of the D5H class) and South Africa. They operate on 3' 6" track, approximately 3" wider than metre gauge. Thats only about 75 mm. Yet they operate some pretty heavy freight trains and some fast passengers. In particular QR (Queensland Railways) has revolutionised its long distance passenger trains with the introduction of diesel powered 'tilt' trains. As well they operate some pretty heavy locomotives to haul mainline freights.
So metre gauge isn't the problem. Its' the combination of a single line and the construction of the track itself. Doubling the line shouldn't be so expensive. And introducing heavier rail can be carried out as track is repaired and replaced. A lot cheaper than completely rebuilding into standard gauge.
I'll put up some photos next time of what can be achieved on modern narrow gauge.
In my last blog I referred to the sorts of rail systems that operate in places like Queensland in Australia (birthplace of the D5H class) and South Africa. They operate on 3' 6" track, approximately 3" wider than metre gauge. Thats only about 75 mm. Yet they operate some pretty heavy freight trains and some fast passengers. In particular QR (Queensland Railways) has revolutionised its long distance passenger trains with the introduction of diesel powered 'tilt' trains. As well they operate some pretty heavy locomotives to haul mainline freights.
So metre gauge isn't the problem. Its' the combination of a single line and the construction of the track itself. Doubling the line shouldn't be so expensive. And introducing heavier rail can be carried out as track is repaired and replaced. A lot cheaper than completely rebuilding into standard gauge.
I'll put up some photos next time of what can be achieved on modern narrow gauge.
Monday, November 29, 2010
D9E
It's been a while since my last blog, Been busy working unfortunately. However I have discovered images of D9E locomotives in use under the control of the old Southern regime. They were identified as BB type or class, as were all B-B diesels apparently. The photos are basically still images taken from old American Army movie footage. A bit rough but in colour! These U8Bs were originally brought into South Vietnam in the 60's and appear to have been painted a darker green than they are now, but the yellow numbers with a red background rmain the same, even if the actual classification has changed.
One interesting feature is the builders plate under the driver's cab window. This doesn't appear to exist on the locomotives as they are now (or have been moved to another location). You can see some of the photos on my website as well as some photos of the French diesels that preceded them.
A recent innovation on the Vietnam Railways Forum is that of the use of video. These are of variable quaility but are very useful for modelling purposes. My favourite at the moment are the videos of D18E hauled freight trains. Very impressive looking units.
Apparently despite the National Assembly voting against high speed rail, the Vietnamese Government is still looking into the feasability.Apparently the Minister has stated that it would not be feasable to udgrade the current system to standard guage from Metre guage. Seems to me that such a move is not really necessary. Rail systems such as those in New Zealand, in Queensland here in Australia, and South Africa run highly successful systems on 3 ft 6 guage which is only about 75mm wider than metre guage. heavier rail and modern rolling stock such as the new Chinese built locomotives being introduced into New Zealand would be very effective.
Until next time.....
One interesting feature is the builders plate under the driver's cab window. This doesn't appear to exist on the locomotives as they are now (or have been moved to another location). You can see some of the photos on my website as well as some photos of the French diesels that preceded them.
A recent innovation on the Vietnam Railways Forum is that of the use of video. These are of variable quaility but are very useful for modelling purposes. My favourite at the moment are the videos of D18E hauled freight trains. Very impressive looking units.
Apparently despite the National Assembly voting against high speed rail, the Vietnamese Government is still looking into the feasability.Apparently the Minister has stated that it would not be feasable to udgrade the current system to standard guage from Metre guage. Seems to me that such a move is not really necessary. Rail systems such as those in New Zealand, in Queensland here in Australia, and South Africa run highly successful systems on 3 ft 6 guage which is only about 75mm wider than metre guage. heavier rail and modern rolling stock such as the new Chinese built locomotives being introduced into New Zealand would be very effective.
Until next time.....
Thursday, October 7, 2010
Mystery Locomotives (2)
It would appear that I was wrong. A correspondent on the VN Railway Blogspot from Taiwan has identified the locomotive with side rods as a Japanese DD11 class 'sent to Vietnam in 1977 as a gift' and that it was numbered DD11-2. Now that I compare the locomotives it seems obvious. The mystery locomotive is clearly bigger than the Whitcomb machine and is longer.
Shows you even I can make mistakes!
Now we need to find out it's history in Vietnam. Interesting that two different locomotives built in different countries at about the same time could look so similar!
It would appear that there were two types numbered 1-3 and 4-9. Types 1-3 were built in 1954, so our Vietnamese loco (no. 2) was built in 1954.
The locomotive was apparently operated at the Kobe Freight Terminal of Japanese National Railways before being sent as a gift to Vietnam.
He has supplied some details:
Brief specification:
length:9550mm
Width:2540mm
Height:3721mm
Axle arrangement:B-B
Engine:DMH17B 160PS/1500rpm x 2
Transmission:Kobelco TC-2 or Niigata Converter DF115 x 2
Max. power output:320PS/1500rpm
Here is a model.
Shows you even I can make mistakes!
Now we need to find out it's history in Vietnam. Interesting that two different locomotives built in different countries at about the same time could look so similar!
It would appear that there were two types numbered 1-3 and 4-9. Types 1-3 were built in 1954, so our Vietnamese loco (no. 2) was built in 1954.
The locomotive was apparently operated at the Kobe Freight Terminal of Japanese National Railways before being sent as a gift to Vietnam.
He has supplied some details:
Brief specification:
length:9550mm
Width:2540mm
Height:3721mm
Axle arrangement:B-B
Engine:DMH17B 160PS/1500rpm x 2
Transmission:Kobelco TC-2 or Niigata Converter DF115 x 2
Max. power output:320PS/1500rpm
Here is a model.
Monday, October 4, 2010
Mystery Locomotives
Here's a bit of a puzzle for this blog.
I am trying to identify this locomotive.
The photos are from a US government movie taken in Saigon yard, July 1967. While it looks a bit like a D9E (U8B), it isn't. The door at the end of the cab is in the middle, rather than offset like the D9E. It has been suggested that it is some form of ALCO but the bogies are wrong. They look vaguely like those used on a D12E rather than any US style I've seen.
It is numbered BB903. BB refers to the B-B wheel arrangement. D9E's had two stripes rather than the one thick one this locomotive has. Could it be French? Or perhaps built by some small US industrial locomotive builder?
A member of the Vietnam Railway Forum has produced some former southern stamps which may be showing this locomotive but as far as I can tell there is no identification.
So if anyone recognizes this locomotive please let me know.
On another note, I have been able to identify another mystery locomotive, seen rusting away in the photo below:
It is a Whitcomb 45DE29a, a US industrial locomotive used by the US army and navy so presumably taken to southern Vietnam during the American War. There are no markings so I don't know anything more about it but here's another restored one I prepared earlier:
Don't know what colour the one in VN was but it could have been light grey?
Any more information about this one would be useful as well. At least that's one mystery partly solved.
Until next time.....
I am trying to identify this locomotive.
The photos are from a US government movie taken in Saigon yard, July 1967. While it looks a bit like a D9E (U8B), it isn't. The door at the end of the cab is in the middle, rather than offset like the D9E. It has been suggested that it is some form of ALCO but the bogies are wrong. They look vaguely like those used on a D12E rather than any US style I've seen.
It is numbered BB903. BB refers to the B-B wheel arrangement. D9E's had two stripes rather than the one thick one this locomotive has. Could it be French? Or perhaps built by some small US industrial locomotive builder?
A member of the Vietnam Railway Forum has produced some former southern stamps which may be showing this locomotive but as far as I can tell there is no identification.
So if anyone recognizes this locomotive please let me know.
On another note, I have been able to identify another mystery locomotive, seen rusting away in the photo below:
It is a Whitcomb 45DE29a, a US industrial locomotive used by the US army and navy so presumably taken to southern Vietnam during the American War. There are no markings so I don't know anything more about it but here's another restored one I prepared earlier:
Don't know what colour the one in VN was but it could have been light grey?
Any more information about this one would be useful as well. At least that's one mystery partly solved.
Until next time.....
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